1800 tourny list, Please comment :)

Orcs & goblins tournament list 1800 points

Characters:
Black orc big boss: heavy armour, shield, armed to da teef, boar, boss ´at 137p
Black orc big boss: heavy armour, bsb, morks spirit totem, boar 180p
Night goblin shaman: level 1, 2 scrolls 100p

Core:
28 Orc boyz: full command, choppa, shield, light armour 198p
28 Orc boyz: full command, choppa, shield, light armour 198p
30 Night goblins: full command, nets, 2 fanatics 195p
21 Night goblins: musican, 2 fanatics 117p
5 Wolf riders: spears, musican 71p
5 Wolf riders: spears, musican 71p
5 Spider riders: musican 71p
5 Spider riders: musican 71p

Special:
6 Savage orc boar boyz: spears, shields 150p
Orc boar chariot: 85p
2 Spear chukkas: 70p

Rare:
Doom diver: 80p

Total: 1794p

PD: 3
DD: 6 + 2 scrolls

Ok, so I expect to be up against High elves, Dark elves, Tzeentch daemonic legion and possibly dwarves. I tried to make my list as balanced as possible, thinkin a little extra about HE and daemons, I fear them the most.

I have 2 major worries:

1. What do you think about the general? He could potentially have 2+ save 5+ ward on top of that T5, so he can go up against most things and live . But would another setup be better?

2. The other is whether or not it´s worth to have a banner on that bigger night goblin unit or not? Nets and fanatics make them a bit tougher in combat, but they are gobbos after all and not nearly as tough as my orc units.

Any other comments? What I want is a hard, yet balanced tourny list that can take on most things.

This post has been edited by Tyrion on Jan 22 2008, 03:56 PM

Well after a brief overview it looks good, to address your concerns in order:

1) If you're not interested in Armed to da Teef, a boar + shield is only 3 points more expensive that the enchanted shield and provides an equal save (and if you really need the +1 strength you can use the great weapon and still have a 3+ armour save). Plus, it takes up an extra orc space, more points to be spent elsewhere if needs be, and also gives you an extra attack. That's three points well spent if you ask me. If you have the model, of course.

2) If you intend them to be a mainstay unit, so to speak, and not support one of the orc units, I wouldn't have much of a problem with the banner - they're big enough to last a few rounds of combat res. The option I wonder about is the champion, not sure if you really need that. Just don't let them get dragged into long combats on their own.

Other than that, that looks like a fairly solid list. I wouldn't usually use Orc blocks of 30 but I suppose that's to keep rank bonus for the Totem as long as possible? Also seems fairly heavy in fast cav for an under 2k list but that's not necessarily bad if you're good with fast cav (I'm not that good ... but I try). Those are only minor quibbles though, it looks like a very good list. Make sure to tell us how it goes.

Yeah, the amount of fast cav caught me by surprise too, I'm not saying change it or anything, just what are you doing with it?

BSB is on a boar. Savage orcs are on boars. Are you putting him in there? Becuase if you are that is not a good idea, all the great eagles in the world are just dying to redirect those suckers away from the main line.

Otherwise it looks good and balanced.

Burro Boskov

Nah, my guess is that the BSB is going in the 28-strong orc unit to bring it up to 30. He needs the ranks anyway with his standard.

I just realised that the night gobbo boss might be to protect the shaman. If so, no problems with that.

I actually chose the champion cos I had points over, but you just found a use for him Thraga, thanx . The shaman should be enough to lure my opponent into charging that unit, and take the pain from the fanatics .

I have used my general on boar before so I do have a model for him. Just that I have a nicely painted model on foot . The guys on the ulthuan board suggested a gamble with amulet of protectyness, would it be worth it? Would be pretty cheap at least. A bad match up vs swordmasters though . They also adviced me on dropping the SOBB´s and adding more spear chukkas (I would, but I only have two) and some archers.

I usually go with unit of 25, but put in 3-4 extra boyz in case im up against 2 bolt throwers or heavy magic. I can take heavy losses and still keep my combat effectivness and ranks. And yes, I really need those dispel dices so the ranks are of outmost importance.

Fast cavalry ay? I plan on having 2 on each flank. They die like flies and run very easily, thereby the numbers. I use them for the usual things. Warmachine hunting, magehunting, marchblocking, most importantly redirecting charges. They have a lot of uses.

I´ll have to think more about that banner on the gobbos.

Always glad to help.

If you've no real reason not to, I'd go with the model on the boar, for the reasons I outlined above. The Amulet of Protectyness I would not consider "competitive" due to the risk factor involved, stick with conventional protection unless you want the points for a magic weapon IMO. As for the SOBB, you seem to use them quite a bit, I don't see why not to use them if you know how (and you certainly have enough fast cav with which to screen them).

Personally I don't equip any greenskins with bows 'cos they're not all that effective, so I wouldn't invest in any archers, but that's a personal thing. I know some people use small units of Arrer Boyz either to protect war machines or as detachments to main blocks but I've never tried it. If the smaller unit of NGs is intended to be a speedbump/baiter you could swap their shields for bows - again it's not something I've ever done myself but I know that it is occasionally done.

Just a thought, if you do mount your general, drop one orc from his unit, one night goblin from the big unit and either their champ/standard, you'd have enough points to buy a champ for the Savages. Just a thought.

Changes made. Decided against the SOBB champion since the upgrade is pretty expensive.

The arrer boyz are have still choppas and stuff and can be a tough nut to crack for most opponents. I shall have to consider that .