Vegetarian(ism??), r u 1?y/y not?debate on the whole topic

we're all cannibals so that's that!!! right shoei? lol

people are posting under animal experimentation about vegetarians and stuff....now here!!! debate or express yourself on the subject in here!!!

im not a vegetarian simply because i like meat and also i think i am way too active to be a vegetarian, and when im really hungry i dont think tofu or other substitutes would suppress my cravings haha

At least Roluvs2surf is honest. I don't personally take issues with people eating meat, rather the fact that people eat way too much meat now, and that the demand for cheap meat often leads to appalling conditions for animals and serious health issues for all involved. Look at chronic problems like rising obesity levels, and acute problems like mad-cow disease and foot-and-mouth, which arise from modern agricultural practices. Quality meat from animals who've lived in decent conditions isn't unacceptable in the way that cheap meat from profit-driven farmers whose only parameter is keeping down costs is.

Throughout human history, meat has only ever been a luxury. Now people in affluent Western nations consider it a staple part of their diet to be eaten with every meal – and just look at the state of either the US or the UK populations' waistlines! Primarily vegetarian meals should be the rule, not the exception; meat should be given the respect that the sanctity of life deserves.

i agree about obesity... and i dont think we should rely on meat so much, because it makes people narrowminded.. i can honestly say that although i have nothing against vegetarians, i dont want to try to be a vegetarian simply because it doesnt appeal to me, and perhaps that has to do with how society has placed importance on meats.. does that make sense? lol

I am not on because I have to admit, I couldn't last a month without a hamburger...but I think thats what THE ringIt'sself was trying to prove,-were to dependant on it. You never know, tofu could be very good.

Omfg, all you pro-life for animal people are fuckin retarded and you piss me off.

First of all, anyone who eats too much of anthing can become obese. There is such thing as fat vegetarians, so don't blame obesity on meat. If someone sat there and ate tofu meat patties and tofu rat shit and vegetables too much, weight will be gained. The only reason you don't see many vegetarian obese people is because meat tastes so much better than strictly vegetables that people can eat a lot of it.

Ok, let's say people stopped eating meat. All the animals bred for food would now be released into the wild. Great: now we have an overpopulation. This means these animals would live in closer facinity to each other, possibly causing each other to become infected with growing bacteria from the filth and grossness of the proximity of which they stay by each other.

Either way, the possibility of a cow getting mad-cow disease is less than the possibility of someone dying in a car accident. Great, everybody throw away their cars, time to walk......

After I got pissed off from your post and stopped reading it, TheRingItself, I went back and read the rest.

Again, uneducated liberalism at its finest. "meat should be given the respect that the sanctity of life deserves." THESE ANIMALS ARE BRED TO BE EATEN. Their life is to be born, fed, slaughtered, and to be sold as food! That is their life!! Their life role is simple!! $$$$$$$$$

hahaha funny one rich....anywho i tried some vegetarian substitute for meat the other day like tuesday w/kazzy. i have to say if it weren't for the fact that there were not good tasting beans (sorry kazzy i don't like beans they are eww everyone!) that were near the meat (more like on the other side of the dish but hey!! i don't like beans!! eww!!) i would've enjoyed the substitute for meat stuff so much more!! i've tasted some tofu one time when my dad brought it for supper. but i thought it was chicken!! hahaha so i was eating it and then i was like this is good dad, what type of flavored chicken is it? he's like oh it's not chicken, it's tofu!! i was like huh?!! at first i thought it was like omg i just ate tofu! yuck! but then i noticed that it really wasn't yucky when i was eating it.

Tofu and garden burgers are good. And so is soy milk, but thats if you're a vegan and you don't eat any dairy products. They make all kinds of food from soy and tofu that taste good. I'm not a vegetarian but I respect peoples choice to be. Sometimes I go without eating meat for a long time without even realizing it. I guess it's not a big deal to me because my mom was one for a long time back in her hippie days, and I know people that are vegetarians. So it's cool if you are or you aren't to me.

I kinda wish i was a vegetarian but i just couldn't do it. In In Out is too good. I love salad. Back in the day, that's seriously all I wanted to eat.

Iam not really down with the green.... I say eat meat till you pop. Thats why cows are here thats why the little helpless deer's are here. Why else would they make a 1 ton animal that sits there and does nothing but eat grass and crap.... Kinda sounds like me and video games... but thats besides the point. I say eat meat, if you want to be a vegatarian go outside and plant a garden.....

-Lemon

Let me see, who would I lay my money on in a fight to the death between you and a bull or a stag, if you were both just the way that Nature had made you (ie, you naked and without any weapons). Who's the helpless one?

That's beside the point. What I was trying to convey earlier is that fundamentally, there's nothing wrong with the principles of meat-eating. Humans have evolved to be omnivorous, that is, equally able to digest plant materials and meat. What I think is morally reprehensible is the modern culture of cheap, nasty meat, which is produced from underfed and overdosed animals who live in filthy, squalid conditions. If you only ate the free deer or cow in the field, I wouldn't have so much of a problem, providing you go kill it and cook it yourself, rather than ***helplessly*** relying on going along to your local supermarket to pick up the prepacked frozen product. Hardly natural, is it, if we're going to bleat that score?

Ours is a culture corrupted by the production line mentality – the idea that living organisms are nothing more than products; a culture which has learned to dissociate the meat on the table from the animal which it came from. No wonder some of the spoilt carnivores posting such obscenely selfish comments on this board can so easily forget the circle of life, when they are so far removed from it – that's why they appear to have so little respect for life and for living creatures.

i seriously think...if all people that r carnivors went to slaughter houses and saw what happens and how they process and all that stuff...that half of them would become vegitarians...just because it is the sickest thing ever. for instance...did u know that a slim jim is actually chiken??? and that the jello powder mixing stuff is like the unedable parts of a cow(hooves..etc), that r boiled in a pot and then u scoop the foam from the top that boils up and concentrate it and u add sugar and u get the powder. thats sick!!! but jello= sooo good

i agree that people should get to choose what they want 2 be.Me myself am a vegie.But yeah people should get 2 choose.

This post has been edited by Mnmluvr on Dec 5 2003, 06:35 PM

Yeah but the way nature made us was to be smarter than all other animals. Thats why we have weapons because we are smart and invented weapons to protect ourselves. They are tools and every specialized group has them.

You know what else specialized groups have, grocery stores. Where we go buy our meat, and you know what Its where you go buy your tofu, and your soy milk, and veggie chicken patties. What your saying is so hypocritical. I dont see you out harvesting tofu, milking soy. So dont say you would have more respect for someone if they killed the animal themselves. When your not doing all the work yourself either.

Wild animals carry diseases as well. So we wouldnt be safe from disease if we ate wild animals.

This post has been edited by Mitch on Dec 11 2003, 07:47 PM

You're right, of course I visit grocery stores to buy my food shopping – though I don't drink soya milk, eat tofu, or "veggie chicken patties", whatever those may be. You're totally missing the point with my reference to convenience stores, though! Point is, I would face no ethical dilemmas if I were to have to go out and harvest my own food. Thankfully I'm not needed to, because there are farmers who do that for me. When it comes to meat, though, there are many people I know who eat meat, but who have told me that they would not be able to go through with the act of killing an animal to eat it if that was a prerequisite for eating meat. That is true hyprocrisy – something which I'm not afflicted by, thank you very much.

As for your second point… well, you're actually making the case for the fact that humans are better off (naturally speaking) as vegetarians! Veterinary evidence shows as that whereas true carnivores – dogs, cats, etc. – are perfectly able to eat raw meat, as their stomachs are able to neutralize the poisons which exist in the meat – we humans would most likely become ill and even die if we tried to eat much raw meat, because we aren't naturally able to do so. We have to cook ours first.

(PS when you say that you go shopping you "go by our meat", do you ever stop to actually pick it up and then buy it? Or do you keep on straight past? )

Wow your clever. I thought you would get the point, but obviously you didn't so I changed it just for you. I hope you were not "2" confused.

I look at this kind of like I look at religion. If you are a vege, fine. If you eat meat, then fine. Just don't run around preaching your shit to everyone else. I hate that. I know all about why people are vegetarian. I understand we don't need meat to survive. I just don't care. Maybe one day, when eating meat will cause me to die or something, then I'll consider not eating it. Food is food. Deal with it.

My clever? His clever? Her clever?!

Oh, hang on, you meant (albeit sarcastically) "you're clever". You see, my dumb, and my slow, so my unable to understand you poor grammar. Or maybe you grammar is as bad as you ability to grasp arguments? My thinking that's probably closer to the truth…

…my guessing your the confused one now?

what did that have to do with vegetarianism?

Nothing, really. I was just highlighting the irony of someone using poor grammar when passing a sarcastic comment about someone else's intelligence.

Mind you, when it comes to articulating arguments, especially on the subject of vegetarianism, poor English is the least of Mitch's problems…

Since my last few posts, I've totally changed my views on vegitarianism. however u spell it. Ayway, ever since my aunt came over a few weeks ago, Its been different. She talk to me about why she was one, which was mainly for religious reasons, but she also pointed out that animals DO have souls. She said why wouldn';t they, they can get happy, they can be sad, mad, depressed. I donno, stuff like that. She also thinks its sick to eat somthing that shits. pahahahaha

wait, so do u think animals have souls????

Whether or not animals have souls (and if you believe in souls, why shouldn't they? Humans are animals too, you know – and please don't let anyone be ignorant enough to try to claim that we're not!), the point is, they feel pain and fear, and can consequently suffer. It's inhumane of us to inflict suffering upon other living creatures, which is the reason many people opt out of eating meat.

As I've said before, I don't have any problems with people eating meat in principle, I just think that everyone who eats meat should be fully aware of and comfortable with the sacrifice made to bring to the meat to the table. Providing you can justify the suffering an animal has endured, which has brought its life to an end, so that you can momentarily enjoy a morsel of its meat passing your lips, then I cannot have any major objections. (Although I still feel sorry for the animal, who has no choice in the whole process.)

I don't really know if animals have sould, but It's hard to think they don't when u have an animal and u notice how smart they are...and how stupid they can be..but I'm just playing with the thouhgt, I don't nkow anything for sure, but I'm more open to finding out about the whole vegitarianism thing...and I would also like to read what the bible says about it. Does it have anything?

Ugh. According to the Bible, animals were put on this earth for humans to use and consume. I guarantee there will be several people who entirely agree with that interpretation, because it fits snugly with their skewed world view, and justifies their brutality and lack of compassion towards their fellow creatures. How the so-called "Good Book" is able to encourage discrimination against certain groups and the infliction of suffering upon innocents will always be beyond me.

I'm really confused

That's because my post doesn't make any real sense

Plainly put: the Bible says that animals are here for human use, and as I don't follow the teachings of the Bible, I disagree with that premise. I see the miracle of life in animals, and could not bring myself to end that miracle artificially merely to satisfy my appetite.

I think that vegetarians should stop crying about animals being abused and mistreated because they're noble beasts. All the plants and shit that you eat once lived too. I don't like vegatarians, and I especially don't like that kid AT. He's an idiot, always preaching his save the whales hug a tree crap. It's all bullshit. Vegatarians have to grow up and realize that since we aren't autotrophs, we have to consume other beings for their energy. It's that simple, grow up.