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 The masamune, the design on it..
Epsonite
Posted: Jan 12 2005, 03:46 PM


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OK something came to my attention when i saw the masamune.... it doesnt look like the holy sword...it looks like a basic long sword i.m.o ...

Just a though umm maybe you should give it some aura around it or something or add a big gem of some sort on the handle...


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Almighty_Gir
Posted: Jan 12 2005, 05:01 PM


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technically, if your interested to know.

masamune is not a sword, masamune is a man, a creator of fine weapons. if you own a masamune, your either extremely rich, or your an amazing swordsman.

there is a legend stating that there are two craftsmen, masamune, and murumasa, masamune, never raised a hand in anger, and tempered his blades with love, while murumasa, was short tempered, and forged his blades with fire, and anger.

if you lay a masamune blade in a river, no leaf shal split on its edge, as diamond sharp as it is.

however, a murumasa, will never be drawn without bloodshed.


little japanese legend for you tongue.gif

as far as game terms go, theres been way too many swords called masamune, and they all look different. take sephiroth for example. it s a huwouge katana.
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Posted: Jan 12 2005, 07:15 PM


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ok then... i cant really respond to that XD

thanks...itd still be nice if tehre was a jewel
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Posted: Jan 12 2005, 07:57 PM


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In CT the Grandleon sword aka Masamune looks like that, normal Longsword, no jewels.
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Posted: Jan 12 2005, 09:46 PM


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Gir, did you know that I love you?

(Thanks for that info! I study religion, mythology, and war for the most part, but have never really learned much about the Japanese and all...)
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Epsonite
Posted: Jan 12 2005, 09:59 PM


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QUOTE (TheBrain @ Jan 12 2005, 07:57 PM)
In CT the Grandleon sword aka Masamune looks like that, normal Longsword, no jewels.

thats true...ok i guess im done...but wait ...the evil masamune...that was from CC isnt this based on CT?
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Knives101
Posted: Jan 13 2005, 10:23 AM


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huh.gif That was a very interesting myth gir.

Well though I think the sword should look the same, when you power it up it might be cool to see a white or blue glow to it, maybe a glowing symbol on it or something... maybe. wink.gif
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Posted: Jan 13 2005, 01:33 PM


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.. I always thought it was murasama, not muramasa?
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Posted: Jan 13 2005, 02:00 PM


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nope, and on some research ive found my story was a little off.

The reason for the aforementioned leaf-cutting abilities of the Masamune and Muramasa blades might be as follows (although the actual name of the smith was Muramasa, Bakin was notorious for renaming famous people in the Hakkenden and sneaking them in):
Masamune was great swordsmith in Japan, and a well-known philosopher I believe. His works with the blade were so masterful his student Muramasa wishes to recreate his work, but failed due to shortcomings on the most important martial princicple.
In the Japanese bujutsu there is a saying: satsujinken katsujinken. Roughly translated this means 'The sword that kills, the sword that gives life'. This principle donates the entire word martial (bu, or 'stop the spear') in that a martial artists goal is to preserve life with his skill, never to take it.
Masamune knew this, but Muramasa did not. For this reason he did not have the insight on the blade as his teacher did, and could therefore never accomplish the same skill in his own work.
Because he assumed the blade was for death alone, his swordwork as always been pulled to the satsujinken side of the equation, his blades always wanting blood and never serving their true identity.
The above could denote why the Muramasa is deemed 'cursed'.
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Posted: Jan 13 2005, 08:57 PM


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That legend was friggin' sweet. I really enjoyed reading it!

As for in the game, I'm guessing we'll jazz up the Masamune a little bit. Our other weapons that have been done but not shown, like the Red Katana, have been greatly improved from their plain sprite originals.
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Posted: Jan 13 2005, 11:38 PM


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QUOTE (Knives @ Jan 13 2005, 08:57 PM)
That legend was friggin' sweet. I really enjoyed reading it!

As for in the game, I'm guessing we'll jazz up the Masamune a little bit. Our other weapons that have been done but not shown, like the Red Katana, have been greatly improved from their plain sprite originals.

YAY...thank you!
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Posted: Jan 14 2005, 10:04 AM


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huh.gif thats some real deep stuff Gir.


Gald you guys have something planned for the sword. Hope it nocks my socks off. Oh and I finally got a new pc and ut2k4 so I can play it when it comes out, so yippy for me.
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Posted: Jan 19 2005, 12:50 AM


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That was really cool Gir, how do you know so much about Japanese legends? Tell us more! hehe

Masamune seems like a regular sword to me. Besides the engraving of Melchiors name in the blade it should look original. It's the wilder that makes it so special in my opinion. Those the wield it show it's true power like when Glenn (Frog) took the sword and used it to cut the Magic Mountain in half. Crazy.

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Posted: Jan 19 2005, 06:26 AM


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Squaresoft (before Square Enix) have used this sword for quite a long time. You can kind of link the legends of the Masamune to the FinalFantasy VII version that Sephiroth weilded.

I'm not sure if it was intensional but when

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Aris dies, Sephiroth's sword did not make Aris bleed (it might have been because of censorship purpose but who knows). This "could" show the concept of the philosophy of Masamune when he creates his sword, not to distroy life, but to preserve it. The sword did not draw blood.
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Posted: Jan 20 2005, 04:01 AM


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my guess is they wanted to keep the rating Teen and not Mature. But I understand what your saying, that makes sence to me dry.gif
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