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 Heads Up: 10000 Islands War w/ Lone Wolves United, Texas involved indirectly
NewTexas
  Posted: Dec 5 2010, 05:58 PM


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Note: This was originally posted in the TDF HQ, but upon further reflection, it is an issue for all of Texas and not just our military.

We need to make you aware that one of our allies, 10000 Islands (10KI), is now at war with one of our long-time invader-group enemies, Lone Wolves United (LWU). On Saturday, LWU, possibly as a way to go out with a bang, declared war on 10KI. We do not know what sparked it, but it escalated quickly. Here is their declaration:

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Thee Rabid Muttface of Evil Wolf
Greetings, everyone! I am very excited to say we have declared a war upon 10,000 Islands! Isn't that wonderful? Here is a re-post of what our grant representative, Kialeri, has posted on the enemy's WFE.

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Dear nations of 10,000 Islands,

Greetings from the friendly Crashers of the Lone Wolves United. We have sent forth a representative to deliver a message to you and your kind.
10,000 Islands has long used its humiliation at the hands of Empire of Power as justification for its vendetta against all Crasher kind. But even with a decisive victory against Empire of Power, TITO has not stopped its white knight crusade against Crashers. To that effect, TITO, in particular its founder, Grub, has treated Crashers as criminals and hunted us as such. This is a most grievous offense in the eyes of the Lone Wolves United, and demands a reply.

As such, the Lone Wolves United officially declares a War upon the 10,000 Islands and its TITO alliance. LWU and TITO have fought in open conflict for over half a decade, it is about time we make it an official declaration. However, its goes beyond a simple defender-invaders grudge, it is the belief of Lone Wolves United that TITO, and therefore 10,000 Islands, has gone too far.

We aim to fight TITO in an official, no-holds bar conflict, with peace only coming with an official surrender from TITO, a full and permanent stop to its defender ways, or TITO's totally destruction.

Until we meet on the battle field,

-Evil Wolf, Lone Wolves Empire, Khan.


Notice that they did not declare war on just 10KI, they delcared war on 10KI and "its TITO alliance" as well. That includes Texas. Here is the 10KI response:

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The United States of Grub

To the LWU,

Tonight the 10000 Islands received word that you have declared war against us. I am not sure if you have understood what you have done, but I am a generous man and am willing to accept that everyone makes mistakes. Three other regions once declared war on us. None of those regions still exist, or better said, none of those regions are still controlled by the foolish nations that declared war on us.

So, before we start our mission to utterly destroy you, we are willing to give you mercy. As of now, you officially have 24 hours to unconditionally surrender to TITO and the 10000 Islands. As part of your surrender, you will also pledge to never again attack innocent regions like you have done in the past. But hear me well. You will surrender or we will end your region. Whether it takes days, months or years, we will own you one way or another.

The great thing about the 10000 Islands is that we stand for freedom and we seek to help regions that have been attacked unfairly. The LWU will either stop their attacks of innocent regions and within 24 hours surrender to us or you will face our wrath. I am quite sure you don't know what's coming your way.

Regardless of your leaders decision, individual LWU nations will not be persecuted if they immediately reject your regions actions and leave LWU. To all LWU troops, I want to apologize in advance for the humiliation and destruction that we will eventually bring to your region. If you would like to avoid this and fight for the good guys, either in public or in private, be sure to telegram me.

LWU, your 24 hours start now.

Grub
Founder - 10000 Islands/TITO


We bring this up becuase we are now unofficially at war by extension.

We need the TDF to keep a an eye on the region of Lone Wolves United. Watch any movement in or out. Follow them until they stop moving. Watch for any nations with a wolf as a National Animal. Watch for any nations with any reference to wolves or LWU in their nation name or motto. Watch for nations sporting the LWU flag:

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Remain vigilant Texas!

tx.gif Go Texas Defense Forces !!! tx.gif

Big Tex
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This post has been edited by NewTexas on Dec 6 2010, 05:52 PM
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NewTexas
  Posted: Dec 5 2010, 06:13 PM


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Additionally, we have been asked to add our name to to the war effort.

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12/05/2010
From: The United States of Grub
Hi Big Tex,

I am not sure if you heard or not, but the invader region of Lone Wolves United declared war on the 10000 Islands tonight.

Grub

Reply:
Howdy Grub!

Thank you for the info.  Yes, AD let us know and we are keeping an eye on them.  As we told AD, they probably do not know what they are going to do any more than we do.  As you well know, Invaders tend to be an excitable bunch....

We will remain alert. 

Once again, thank you!

;>
bt

Follow-up: The United States of Grub
Even though it would be purely symbolic, would Texas also be willing to declare war on Lone Wolves United? Our other ally, Yggdrasil, is going to also declare on LWU once we formally do as well. I can't see this changing anything really for you guys, but it would be nice to have the support.

Grub

Reply:
Interestingly enough, we are considering/discussing it right now.  We will get back to you as we form a consensus.

bt


So, we need to discuss this.
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Posted: Dec 5 2010, 06:40 PM


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What do you suppose the general prosecution of this war will be? A direct assault on home regions? Or more of a race between defenders and invaders for neutral regions?
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NewTexas
Posted: Dec 5 2010, 06:49 PM


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Ultimately, it will devolve into a direct assault.

Hints:

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So, before we start our mission to utterly destroy you


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Three other regions once declared war on us. None of those regions still exist


In the meantime, we don't know...

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NewTexas
Posted: Dec 5 2010, 08:08 PM


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A declaration of war on LWU by Texas is almost unnecessary. Thye are invaders and Texas is at war with all invaders. We have probably had at least 10 or more missions against then where they were the primary aggressor. They have not been all that actively lately. That is why we suspect this is their way of going out in a blaze of glory.

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Posted: Dec 5 2010, 10:07 PM


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We will keep an eye out for LWU signs. As for the declaration of war, we shall have to give it more thought.


The Trecdom Armed forces are going to Yellow Alert until this conflict is resolved or a change to red alert is warranted.

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Posted: Dec 5 2010, 10:19 PM


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I can't say I see the point of a direct assault either on TITO or LWU. Both regions have founders, so the most that could occur is a brief delegate swap. But I'd imagine both regions are vigilant enough that it wouldn't even get that far.

I'd say it's important for us to know exactly how this is going to work. The TDF I've known has always acted in real ways against invaders, not just saber-rattling and symbolic gestures. Anything less is a waste of our time and talents.
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Posted: Dec 5 2010, 10:23 PM


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~ On behalf of the Mafia Administration and Associates ~

Salutions, respected brothers in arm and defender opponents. We, here at the Mafia of Equinox, would politely like to declare a complete support for the Lone Wolves United in their armed struggle against their defender foe at TITO.

We consider the faulty assumptions on which the alliance acts a problem and a thorn in the interests of the Guild. Ever-sworn to the cause of solidarity amongst Crashers, we believe it to be of the utmost priority to aid our brother at the Lone Wolves United. By daring to propose that any of our individuals would splinter from the raider cause, we are forced to pursue the complete dismantlement of the establishment known as the Ten Thousand Islands Treaty Organization.

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Richard
Posted: Dec 6 2010, 11:19 AM


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Grub makes official declaration of war.

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Yesterday, the invader region of Lone Wolves United declared war against our homeland. In response, we offered mercy for their foolish act and demanded their unconditional surrender. Our offer was rejected. Under my orders, which is also supported by the Council of Nine, the 10000 Islands hereby declares war against Lone Wolves United.

For some history, we have fought LWU many times over the years. These are bad people who take pleasure on picking on innocent regions for their own amusement. Many times we have beaten them and also watched them retreat over and over. When left to their own devices, LWU has even gone as far as destroying portions of other regions forums. These people get their fun by destroying what others have built.

We see the attacking of innocent regions as a cowardly and dishonorable practice. While just a small group, make no mistake that the LWU is a group of bullies. They have been bullies for years and now we will end their region. Whether it takes weeks, months or years, the LWU has made a major mistake. This mistake will end them eventually.

If war is what you want, LWU, total war is what you will get. 372.

Grub
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Posted: Dec 6 2010, 11:26 AM


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What is 372? We hope it is nothing like that 14/88 crap! rolleyes.gif

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Posted: Dec 6 2010, 11:36 AM


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We were recently asked:

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Are we officially supporting 10KI in their war?


That is partially what this discussion is about. Being an ally means supporting each other. So, in essences, yes, we are supporting their war. That gets us to the other part of what we are discussing - to what extent are we supporting 10KI's war:

Are we supporting it to the point of declaring war on LWU as well?
Are we going to send in troops to invade the region of Lone Wolves United?
Are we going to put the fact that we are at war with LWU in the Texas WFE?
Are we going to send a nation over to LWU to tell them we are at war with them as well?

That is what we are discussing - just how far will our support go beyond moral support?

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Posted: Dec 6 2010, 11:47 AM


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The #1 thing that holds us up from doing anything impulsively is this:

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Regional Diplomacy: Wysteria, The Heartland, Nasicournia, 10000 Islands, Monkey Island, North Pacific, Conservative Paradise, Canada, The Black Market, Liberty Alliance, Yggdrasil, Ulthar, Antarctic Oasis, Kittens Sanctuary, New British Steel


These peeps are our friends.
These are peeps like Texas peeps.
These are peeps that did not ask to be drawn into war.
These are the peeps that would become the first targets of our enemies.
These are the peeps we would feel the worst for if anything happened the them.
These peeps are the reason Texas must proceed very carefully.


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Posted: Dec 6 2010, 09:03 PM


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Times like this are when alliances get tricky. Simply put, World War One started because 2 countries got mad at each other and declared war on each other which drew their respective allies into a war they did not start.



Would an all out war be fitting a region that prides itself on defending? Rarely do we make the first move due to the fact we run defense missions. A region is invaded, then we move in to kick the invaders out, or we move in before an invasion and help support what is often a local leader.



After much debate back and forth, much of which centered on the aforementioned logic, the Federation Council of Trecdom votes against a formal declaration of war on the Wolves.
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Posted: Dec 6 2010, 10:04 PM


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After consideration, Ziotica believes that a formal, full-fledged declaration of war is not wise at this time. Unless we missed something, we do not see that LWU has actually done anything beyond make a symbolic declaration of war. If, or when, LWU makes an actual offensive move, then war would be quite appropriate. As it stands now, so far they're just yelling. Until they make an aggressive attack, we don't believe LWU deserves the dignity of a formal response. gun_smilie.gif
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Posted: Dec 6 2010, 11:17 PM


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I stand by my last statement that if we do involve ourselves, it needs to be in our capacity as defenders -- defending regions that are invaded. Should LWU begin attacking innocent or allied regions, we need to take action against them. Any invasion on our part against a raider region, however, would be gravely contrary to what we stand for. Our stance has always been that invading for any reason is wrong. We don't need to add any remotely plausible reasons for invaders to declare hypocrisy to the charges they invent themselves.
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This was part of a post on the LWU RMB.

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Simple fact of the matter is that Lone Wolves United has existed for over five years and we've been Crashing literally since day one. If the Alliance Defense Network, Red Liberty Alliance, Pacific Defenders, Founderless Region Alliance, EAA, RIA, and countless other defender groups and regions have not been successful, neither will you.


I wonder why they didn't mention Texas. tx.gif

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QUOTE (Richard @ Dec 7 2010, 12:44 PM)
I wonder why they didn't mention Texas. tx.gif

That is somewhat interesting since most of our skirmishes with them were joint missions with Joshua's old EAA group.

In this instance, we do not mind flying under the radar...

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Posted: Dec 7 2010, 06:33 PM


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They probably don't think we're big enough to warrant a mention. Which is maybe true. wink.gif
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NewTexas
  Posted: Dec 8 2010, 01:14 PM


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It looks like more scumbags are piling on the "Let's Get TITO" bandwagon

First there is Equinox, that Trec posted about 3 days ago:

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Can you believe those jokers actually thought they could get an alliance with us at one time? rolleyes.gif

Additionally, the New Britannian Empire, jumped on a day later:

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They used to keep their little skirmishes to themselves for so many years. We do not know what rabble-rouser joined them to stir this up.

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